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Forum Discription: Why do you play video poker? What is your favorite game and why?
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Printed Date: 21 Oct 2014 at 8:29am


Topic: Deuces Wild
Posted By: JHock12
Subject: Deuces Wild
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2006 at 5:17pm
I have friends that only play Deuces Wild and it seems to me that it is a losing proposition.  I guess the object of the game is to get 4 deuces, because all of the other payouts are pretty weak.  5 of a kind pays good, but everything else is kind of lame, in my opinion.  Some games are Bonus and Super Bonus, but bottom line it is a lot of work for a small return.  What do you think?



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Posted By: oej719
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 12:34am
I agree


Posted By: MikeA
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 8:04am
Well, I lost my first attempt at replying to this Wacko  Deuces Wild is a game that requires some research to find good pay tables...at least, I've found it so.  It is a game sought after by many very serious VP affectionados.  The pay tables do not reward as highly for some hands as Draw Poker but because of the wild cards, you hit those hands more often.  My experience in the casinos and on the simulators is that it pays better than 9/6 JOB and is more exciting to play than JOB, that "cut and dried black and white" logic that returns just under 100%.  I'm working on the strategy for DW (NSUD) and am scouting nearby casinos looking for prospective machines on which to ply my skills.  My game of choice in the meantime is Double Bonus. 

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Posted By: oej719
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 8:28am
I agree to that also. Jack or better is blah-- boring.


Posted By: Eduardo
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 11:14am
I like lots of wilds.

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Eduaaaaardo!


Posted By: martha3
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 7:23pm
always like deuces wild ! easier to play!easier when your playing for money! this is good practice ! thanks i really enjoy this games.


Posted By: BOOPSAHOY
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2006 at 11:36pm
I also think your money lasts longer as you chase the 4 deuces and the Royal. A wild Royal pays pretty good too.


Posted By: royal flush
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2006 at 11:27am
full pay dw is the best game easy to learn to play right with enough excitement with a large pay off for 2nd prize look for pay tables like on this site hard to master 10/7 db with only 100.17 good luck


Posted By: MikeA
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2006 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by royal flush

full pay dw is the best game easy to learn to play right with enough excitement with a large pay off for 2nd prize look for pay tables like on this site hard to master 10/7 db with only 100.17 good luck
 
Only too True...DB is very volital Angry .  Lots of variance Dead .  But you never get bored with it LOL


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Posted By: Schmenky
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2006 at 10:07am
Deuces Wild is my all time fave for VP play in Vegas, it is my tried and true game and it's the only one where I have consistently gotten Royals.  After alot of studying and practice online, it pays to practice.
My second fave is DDB, but I have yet to get a royal.  I'm still practicing so I can leave the cheat sheet at home.


Posted By: wilcoxfun
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2006 at 4:18pm
My first royal was on deuces wild. So I really like the game. However, my next royal was on double double bonus so I really like that game as well LOL!


Posted By: trod
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2006 at 12:27pm
I have hit more royals on deuces than any other poker machine.  I don't know why this happens but for me it does.  Wierd!


Posted By: BOOPSAHOY
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2006 at 3:41pm
I think it happens because we hold the "royal cards" more often hoping for a wild royal.


Posted By: mpact
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 10:57pm
It is simple math...perfectly played full play DW returns 100.76 %,much better than any other game. Not only that,to me,it is by far the most fun,even with the losing streaks inherent in any form of video poker.


Posted By: Lucky Larry
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 12:12am
Originally posted by JHock12

I have friends that only play Deuces Wild and it seems to me that it is a losing proposition.  I guess the object of the game is to get 4 deuces, because all of the other payouts are pretty weak.  5 of a kind pays good, but everything else is kind of lame, in my opinion.  Some games are Bonus and Super Bonus, but bottom line it is a lot of work for a small return.  What do you think?


I personally play DW because I can find good pay tables at multiple denominations, its fairly easy to learn and play by rote when tired, and the volatility is very low so I'm usually in the game a longer time. Part of my game plan is to stay in long enough to hit the deuces or RF. Check out "Isle 1/28/13 Deuces" report.


Posted By: BobDancer
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 12:40am
Those who cite high return for FPDW are spot on. That should be a major criterion for game selection if the amount of money you win or lose is important to you.

Those who cite DW is more fun are expressing an opinion. (BTW, I happen to agree with that opinion but certainly others may disagree). Overall DDB is the most popular video poker game with DW in second place, but that certainly isn't my personal ranking. I'll pick the highest dollars-per-hour first and if the numbers are equal, I'll choose Quick Quads first, Deuces Wild second, and everything else third.

Those who cite that DB is a lot more volatile than DW are wrong --- depending on the definition of "a lot." The exact variance depends on the pay schedule, but 10/7 DB has a variance of 28.25 and FPDW has a variance of 25.8. These are fairly close to each other.

Those who don't like DW because they haven't done well on the game in the past are not using a relevant criterion. Your personal score is pretty irrelevant and is dominated by short term luck, and for many people, faulty memories because they don't keep good records. The EV of the game played well is MUCH more important. Once you learn the skills, play long enough and your results will approach what the long term EV says they should be.

One "problem" with DW is that different pay schedules have widely different strategies. Sometimes you hold two pair, sometimes you throw one of the pairs away. Sometimes it matters which of the pairs you keep. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a pair is better than a 4-card flush, sometimes it isn't. The rules for a deuce plus 3-cards to a straight flush compared to a dealt flush, straight, or 3-of-a-kind vary widely from pay schedule to pay schedule. Experienced players can learn to be comfortable switching between strategies. Not-so-experienced players get confused unless they always play the same strategy.

The person who said the strategy for DW games is easy was correct --- IF you continually play the same pay schedule.
If you switch pay schedules, it can require more study than many recreational players wish to undertake. Even if players are willing to study, a non-trivial amount of mental agility is required. Many players simply don't possess enough brain cells to switch easily.

In my classes at South Point which start in a week, we'll be teaching three different versions of Deuces Wild (NSU, 9-4-4 Deuces Bonus, and 12-9 Deuces Double Bonus). If you attend all three classes, it will become very clear what pay schedule changes cause which parts of the strategies to change. Even if you switch to another pay schedule yet, the classes will give you a pretty good idea of how to adjust the strategy --- and why.

There is a flow to DW. If you don't hit a royal or a set of deuces today you're very likely going to go home a loser. That's no big deal to those who keep a long term score. For those to whom today's score is important, it can be a big deal. You need a certain personality to withstand a losing session and each game requires a slightly different personality.

Bob
 


Posted By: billyjoe
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 11:29am
Originally posted by impact

It is simple math...perfectly played full play DW returns 100.76 %,much better than any other game. Not only that,to me,it is by far the most fun,even with the losing streaks inherent in any form of video poker.
So, if I can find and play FPDW, and I play perfectly, and I play for a very long time (since there will be losing streaks), I can get all the up to earning 76 cents for each $100 that I invest.  Confused  Is my math correct?
 
As a recreational player who lives in a non-casino state, and only plays on gaming trips, I will take a higher volatility game for the short time that I am able to play, and take my chances.


Posted By: royal flush
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 11:32am
that is  correct plus the value of points comps which can be 1/2%. why play a negative expected game to try to force a win vs playing the best game unless this is the last time you will play vp as life is a continous session and not just one short session


Posted By: Vman96
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by royal flush

that is  correct plus the value of points comps which can be 1/2%.


Getting 0.5% back in comps is usually impossible on FPDW.

But yeah, you're right Billy Joe, play it perfectly, and you'll earn 76 cents for every $100 in the long, long, long run. I'm guessing that game won't interest you much because most FPDW machines are single line quarter machines. And outside of Vegas, they just don't exist, and the best I can find is 99.96% APDW.

If FPDW didn't exist for decades, I doubt Deuces would be as popular as it is. In the Midwest, its DDB or the highway. Joker Poker may be even more popular than Deuces to be honest here when I unscientifically peer over at what my neighbor is playing. :)


Posted By: olds442jetaway
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 3:44pm
Deuces Wild is my favorite game to play, but unfortunately, in CT, the best paytable you will find is 15-9-4-4 and no points paid out either. I would much rather play it on a Double Down Stud machine and hope for the big payouts. I am giving up about 2% though playing that game too in the long run. At least you earn points on the Double Down Stud game and Mohegan Sun has been very generous lately with free play, perk points, dining points, shows, free gas, free rooms, etc. etc. etc....


Posted By: royal flush
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 4:42pm
true maybe .1-.2%, if you watch players like bob dancer or frank kneeland they look for "special" plays maybe a promotion that make a 99.18 bp look like 101.5% percent because of a promotion and bob can play high denom and get an hourly rate of $50 per hour with alot of swings he makes the best money selling his books and flash cards. the unintended consequences of that is the reduction of many good games like $1,$2 fpdw. this is why vp has mostly "played itself out" to play as a professional and folks like frank kneeland build teams looking for a progressive where the royal might be 3x the starting payoff making a 8/5 99.11 bp seem like almost 103%, and the casinos counter by slowing the "meter" . players must change as situations change, i started card counting playing 21, then to vp as many fpdw $1, and $2 games and promotions with 125 credits paid on missing a royal by one card on a 9/6 job games $1 level a 3% edge, then to " banked" slots 8 ball flush attack, waiting for machine bank to go into bonus round stop sitting around to playing as fast as i can, now playing more live poker "omaha 8 or better against weak tourists


Posted By: GaryMA
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 6:13pm
I play deuces wild off an on. It does seem like your money does last a little longer. I have also hit my share of 4 deuces. A quick $250 dollars on a quarter machine when they hit.


Posted By: djatc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 6:44pm
If you play FPDW you can play for a lot longer then any other game because the pay tables are distributed to return quite a bit. Any other game if you're not hitting the quads or above it seems to suck your quarters away.


Posted By: GaryMA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2013 at 9:25pm
I hit my first Royal on a deuces wild machine the other day (no deuces) on a quarter progressive. $1800. Was nice.


Posted By: Lucky Larry
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2013 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by GaryMA

I hit my first Royal on a deuces wild machine the other day (no deuces) on a quarter progressive. $1800. Was nice.


Congratulations on your first Royal.


Posted By: Lucky Larry
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2013 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by olds442jetaway

Deuces Wild is my favorite game to play, but unfortunately, in CT, the best paytable you will find is 15-9-4-4 and no points paid out either. I would much rather play it on a Double Down Stud machine and hope for the big payouts. I am giving up about 2% though playing that game too in the long run. At least you earn points on the Double Down Stud game and Mohegan Sun has been very generous lately with free play, perk points, dining points, shows, free gas, free rooms, etc. etc. etc....


Olds,
Just curious about where you found 15-9-4-4 DW in Conn. We're headed up there in a few weeks? Is that a common pay table for up there? I haven't checked VPfree yet.

thanks,


Posted By: luvzlyfe
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2013 at 5:15pm
Call me a sentimental sucker - that was Mom's favorite game....I still remember the time when she called me and said..."I've won $500 and I can't figure out what I did"...after backtracking turned out she'd bet max bet when Seminole casinos were doing 10 quarters for max bet. She said she had...a wild royal....an Ace H and 4-2s and I told her otherwise...so, I play DW and look heavenward and say "this is for you Mommy".


Posted By: Lucky Larry
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2013 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by luvzlyfe

Call me a sentimental sucker - that was Mom's favorite game....I still remember the time when she called me and said..."I've won $500 and I can't figure out what I did"...after backtracking turned out she'd bet max bet when Seminole casinos were doing 10 quarters for max bet. She said she had...a wild royal....an Ace H and 4-2s and I told her otherwise...so, I play DW and look heavenward and say "this is for you Mommy".


Accidental "max plays" hits are real jewels. In 2007, on a birthday trip, Sweet C accidentally hit max play (10 coin) and didn't realize it until about half-dozen hands later when she caught a royal for double the amount.


Posted By: DAAnMAAn
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2013 at 8:08am

I have a love/hate relationship with deuces wild at the moment.. I can only find fpdw for .25c single line and hit a royal on it 5 sessions ago, then went on a nice losing streak with fpdw losing -300,-300, +70, -500. So much for consistency, but that's video poker. I don't think deuces wild is better or worse than the non-wild games, just different.

The pro's are you do seem to play longer for the most part, earn more points, hit more hands with the wild's. Variance is reasonably low, of course not lower than JOB. Hitting quad deuces (or as I like to say, squaduche) is cool, hitting them a few times is even more cool. But not hitting them is not cool.
Anyway, I enjoy NSUD too and I get to play higher denominations with NSUD when I'm tired of playing for quarters. If I had to rank my top 5 vp games in order at the moment granting that it's just a personal note, it would be 1. FPDW/NSUD 2. DBP 3. JOB 4. DDB 5. BP
 
And I can understand why some players are not inclined to play the deuces wild games due to the excitement of perhaps DDB or TDB, the big hits and high variance. To each their own. Not to sell deuces wild, but it pays pretty good for 4 deuces and the royal, can usually play longer and hit more hands with the wilds, usually have very good pay table returns. Those looking for even bigger hits,  loose deuce pays even more for quad deuces, 2500 on 5 credits, and you can find them at over 100% expected return. Highly variant game warning. But it's there for those of you who like to search for the big score. I like to dable with it now and again, but don't go crazy with it because without a squaduche hit or royal, it's a tough game. Right along the lines with TDB I guess.



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