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FloridaPhil
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Quote FloridaPhil Replybullet Posted: Yesterday at 7:57am
I'm not saying it won't.  You have to find what works for you.  Finding that out is part of the fun of VP.

Edited by FloridaPhil - Yesterday at 8:01am
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Quote Gronbog Replybullet Posted: Yesterday at 9:29pm
Originally posted by stevel96a1

it really doesnt matter how i trigger my bets onĀ  a 99% game it all comes down to the pay table?

Yes.
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Quote olds442jetaway Replybullet Posted: Yesterday at 11:51pm
For some reason, I have had very poor luck with versions of Martingale on job. Better luck by far with deuces wild. The many 4 of a kinds in deuces keep you in there. Also lots of pushes. I have had many dud streaks of 30 or more hands in job as well as quadless days. With deuces wild and a mild martingale I can still have a winning session without Royals, 4 deuces, even wild royals, as long as the smaller stuff comes in as it should. The downside on the very mild Martingale methods I use is sessions can be very long 8 to 12 hours. I never get bored, but have to remember to take stretch and water breaks.
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Quote FloridaPhil Replybullet Posted: Today at 5:15am
I agree with Olds.  These systems work much better with wild card games.  I have to disagree somewhat with Gronbog.  Pay tables and accuracy are the biggest single determiner in your results.  However, there is more variation from player to player than he seems to indicate.   I am not a mathematician, so it's possible I may be misunderstanding his posts.   I'm sure he will respond.

In VP, the cards are dealt at random.   If you compare the results of two players, one playing a 97% game and another playing a 100% game, it won't take long for the player playing the better game to be ahead.   This is due to the fact that the player playing the better game can play more hands with the same money.   I am not arguing against playing the best games.  However, if you compare two players playing the same exact game there will always be a difference in their results.

The biggest difference will be determined by the number and timing of the royals.  You don't see this in a computer lab or on a spreadsheet because the calculations are made into "infinity".   The experts call this long term.

Here is an example of the misinterpretation of "long term" play.  Two retired businessmen go to the same casino every day.   They both play the same game at the same denomination.  They play side by side everyday for five years.  They are both similarly accurate in their play.  At the end of the fifth year, one of the businessmen has a heart attack and dies.   The test is over so we tally up their results.  The remaining businessman is two royals ahead of the businessman who passed away.   If VP math was a perfect predictor of the outcome, both businessmen would have exactly the same results.  They didn't, so what happened?  

Playing better games accurately lets you play more hands with the same money, it does not guarantee jackpots within a specific period of time.  The dead businessman may have experienced the two missing royals on the day after he died, but he wasn't in the game.  The expression "Long Term" as it applies to video poker is not a universally constant value for all players.  This is the reality that makes video poker "gambling".


Edited by FloridaPhil - Today at 5:59am
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