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Quote billyjoe Replybullet Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 9:14am
Rover, I have a question for you about STP. You seem to play it quite a bit at the $1 and $0.50 denom. Do find the frequency of STPs different between denoms?
I know that, however you answer, will be anecdotal, and based only on your own experiences, but I was just curious.
I have played STP (I actually like Double STP better) on $1, and sometimes get frustrated with the lack of STPs that pop up, especially when I am sitting next to someone playing $0.25, and they are getting STPs every other hand.Angry
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Quote Tomcat1569 Replybullet Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 10:26am
Billyjoe, That is certainly an interesting question that I've wondered about for a long time. I have noticed a difference in the frequency of multipliers depending on the number of hands played. Three play can have lulls but the multiplier comes in spurts. Five play seems reasonable, but the number of multipliers in 10 play seems rather low. My observations only apply to nickel and dime denominations.
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Quote billyjoe Replybullet Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 6:36pm
Interesting. So we really have two questions regarding the frequency of STPs - denom and number of lines played. Confused
I wonder if WebMan knows about this from his IGT folks
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Quote roveer Replybullet Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 7:46pm
Originally posted by billyjoe

Rover, I have a question for you about STP. You seem to play it quite a bit at the $1 and $0.50 denom. Do find the frequency of STPs different between denoms?
I know that, however you answer, will be anecdotal, and based only on your own experiences, but I was just curious.
I have played STP (I actually like Double STP better) on $1, and sometimes get frustrated with the lack of STPs that pop up, especially when I am sitting next to someone playing $0.25, and they are getting STPs every other hand.Angry
 
Coming from a guy who plays enough hands to as backsider says "lose all my money", I've not noticed that one particular denom or one particular variation of hands produces more or less multipliers  I have the same droughts and runs at every denom and hand variation.  Nothing sucks worse than sitting next to someone who's got the "spinnie" as I call it, popping up all the time.  Then 2 minutes later, you hear the happy music.  Of course when I've got a jerk sitting next to me slapping the crap out of the buttons I take great enjoyment out of providing that level of frustration to them.
 
What I have found is that sometimes the games are just plain dead and when that happens I have to remind myself to go do something else.  Sometimes when a game is slow, I can find a multiplier run in a different game or denom and that leads me to one obersavtion that is something that I've noticed.  Based on "my experiences" if I were describing the frequency of multipliers I would say that every different denomination and every different hand variation (3-5 or 10) were completely unique.  What I'm saying is that when I'm playing a particular denom on let's say 10 hand there is a rhythm, whether winning losing or just chugging along.  Change the game or the denom and that seems to all change.  You would think if the RNG were just spitting out numbers and nothing changed than the result would be basically the same if you changed number of hands or denom.  To me, not true.  When I have a game go cold, I will often go looking for a better result by changing the denom or number of hands.  If after a while, nothing is working, I get off the machine.  If your are a vp purist you say there's no outside influence on the game, it's just the RND and the statistics.  I'd like to believe this as the manipulation of the pay tables give the casino's the edge, but the game sure doesn't always play that way.  Now, until I have some evidence that there is outside influence, I guess I'm a purist.  What I do believe is that deep inside the RNG based on seed values there are weaker and stronger number strings which can produce different result.  And I guess that could be considered completly random as well, but it can produce dramatically good results and the same for bad results.  No way to predict, but it does happen.  And I believe that each game uses a different seed and that's why I see different results when I change games.  I also think the game state is maintained.  Seems like if I build up to getting a multiplier after not having one and then switch to another game, when I come back to that game, the multiplier shows up about where it should.  Keep in mind these are just my late night non-scientific babblings, but I have to a certain degree tuned my play for what I feel.  To me, it's better to have a theory and follow it, even if it's incorrect, especially if it provides a positive result than to have nothing.  To me, this is part of the game.  I somehow think that after a few more million hands that I'll have another appiphamy and tune my style differently.  For me it's produced lots of results.  Probably doesn't have anything to do with reality, but again, for me it's part of the fun.  If I didn't think I could have some ability to trend the game it wouldn't be any fun.  Of course I'm still working on the bankroll management part, always having a hard time saying "that's enough"  Once the dopomine starts flowing, it's hard to walk away.  Thoroughly confused.  Don't blame ya...
 
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Quote opalineopaline Replybullet Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 9:18pm
Damule,

You are so right!  It was 7/5 and when it wasn't giving me multipliers it sucked big time.  As roveer said, changing the number of hands (from 3 to 5 to 10) did seem to produce different frequencies of getting the multipliers and even the various kinds of hands.  Now remember, I don't normally play a lot of ddb (usual game is deuces wild) but for super times pay, deuces wild just doesn't do well for me.  So I was willing to give up the better pay table (which the deuces wild had) for the ups and downs of ddb.

This time it worked - next, who knows?

May luck be with you always.
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Quote billyjoe Replybullet Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 9:56am
Originally posted by roveer

Originally posted by billyjoe

Rover, I have a question for you about STP. You seem to play it quite a bit at the $1 and $0.50 denom. Do find the frequency of STPs different between denoms?
I know that, however you answer, will be anecdotal, and based only on your own experiences, but I was just curious.
I have played STP (I actually like Double STP better) on $1, and sometimes get frustrated with the lack of STPs that pop up, especially when I am sitting next to someone playing $0.25, and they are getting STPs every other hand.Angry
 
Coming from a guy who plays enough hands to as backsider says "lose all my money", I've not noticed that one particular denom or one particular variation of hands produces more or less multipliers  I have the same droughts and runs at every denom and hand variation.  Nothing sucks worse than sitting next to someone who's got the "spinnie" as I call it, popping up all the time.  Then 2 minutes later, you hear the happy music.  Of course when I've got a jerk sitting next to me slapping the crap out of the buttons I take great enjoyment out of providing that level of frustration to them.
 
What I have found is that sometimes the games are just plain dead and when that happens I have to remind myself to go do something else.  Sometimes when a game is slow, I can find a multiplier run in a different game or denom and that leads me to one obersavtion that is something that I've noticed.  Based on "my experiences" if I were describing the frequency of multipliers I would say that every different denomination and every different hand variation (3-5 or 10) were completely unique.  What I'm saying is that when I'm playing a particular denom on let's say 10 hand there is a rhythm, whether winning losing or just chugging along.  Change the game or the denom and that seems to all change.  You would think if the RNG were just spitting out numbers and nothing changed than the result would be basically the same if you changed number of hands or denom.  To me, not true.  When I have a game go cold, I will often go looking for a better result by changing the denom or number of hands.  If after a while, nothing is working, I get off the machine.  If your are a vp purist you say there's no outside influence on the game, it's just the RND and the statistics.  I'd like to believe this as the manipulation of the pay tables give the casino's the edge, but the game sure doesn't always play that way.  Now, until I have some evidence that there is outside influence, I guess I'm a purist.  What I do believe is that deep inside the RNG based on seed values there are weaker and stronger number strings which can produce different result.  And I guess that could be considered completly random as well, but it can produce dramatically good results and the same for bad results.  No way to predict, but it does happen.  And I believe that each game uses a different seed and that's why I see different results when I change games.  I also think the game state is maintained.  Seems like if I build up to getting a multiplier after not having one and then switch to another game, when I come back to that game, the multiplier shows up about where it should.  Keep in mind these are just my late night non-scientific babblings, but I have to a certain degree tuned my play for what I feel.  To me, it's better to have a theory and follow it, even if it's incorrect, especially if it provides a positive result than to have nothing.  To me, this is part of the game.  I somehow think that after a few more million hands that I'll have another appiphamy and tune my style differently.  For me it's produced lots of results.  Probably doesn't have anything to do with reality, but again, for me it's part of the fun.  If I didn't think I could have some ability to trend the game it wouldn't be any fun.  Of course I'm still working on the bankroll management part, always having a hard time saying "that's enough"  Once the dopomine starts flowing, it's hard to walk away.  Thoroughly confused.  Don't blame ya...
 
Roveer, thanks for the response. I agree with you, in that I seem to observe what I think of as a 'bad part' of the 'string' when things go cold. I just don't know how to change that in the short term, and find another 'seed point' in the string, without pouring money in the machine to wait it out.
I am going to try your approach, and change denoms and/or number of lines, the next time I get a cold cycle.Cold%20Cycle
 
Maybe I can get a good pic for a Forum post out of it. Big%20smile
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Quote roveer Replybullet Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 11:49am
Originally posted by billyjoe

Originally posted by roveer

Originally posted by billyjoe

Rover, I have a question for you about STP. You seem to play it quite a bit at the $1 and $0.50 denom. Do find the frequency of STPs different between denoms?
I know that, however you answer, will be anecdotal, and based only on your own experiences, but I was just curious.
I have played STP (I actually like Double STP better) on $1, and sometimes get frustrated with the lack of STPs that pop up, especially when I am sitting next to someone playing $0.25, and they are getting STPs every other hand.Angry
 
Coming from a guy who plays enough hands to as backsider says "lose all my money", I've not noticed that one particular denom or one particular variation of hands produces more or less multipliers  I have the same droughts and runs at every denom and hand variation.  Nothing sucks worse than sitting next to someone who's got the "spinnie" as I call it, popping up all the time.  Then 2 minutes later, you hear the happy music.  Of course when I've got a jerk sitting next to me slapping the crap out of the buttons I take great enjoyment out of providing that level of frustration to them.
 
What I have found is that sometimes the games are just plain dead and when that happens I have to remind myself to go do something else.  Sometimes when a game is slow, I can find a multiplier run in a different game or denom and that leads me to one obersavtion that is something that I've noticed.  Based on "my experiences" if I were describing the frequency of multipliers I would say that every different denomination and every different hand variation (3-5 or 10) were completely unique.  What I'm saying is that when I'm playing a particular denom on let's say 10 hand there is a rhythm, whether winning losing or just chugging along.  Change the game or the denom and that seems to all change.  You would think if the RNG were just spitting out numbers and nothing changed than the result would be basically the same if you changed number of hands or denom.  To me, not true.  When I have a game go cold, I will often go looking for a better result by changing the denom or number of hands.  If after a while, nothing is working, I get off the machine.  If your are a vp purist you say there's no outside influence on the game, it's just the RND and the statistics.  I'd like to believe this as the manipulation of the pay tables give the casino's the edge, but the game sure doesn't always play that way.  Now, until I have some evidence that there is outside influence, I guess I'm a purist.  What I do believe is that deep inside the RNG based on seed values there are weaker and stronger number strings which can produce different result.  And I guess that could be considered completly random as well, but it can produce dramatically good results and the same for bad results.  No way to predict, but it does happen.  And I believe that each game uses a different seed and that's why I see different results when I change games.  I also think the game state is maintained.  Seems like if I build up to getting a multiplier after not having one and then switch to another game, when I come back to that game, the multiplier shows up about where it should.  Keep in mind these are just my late night non-scientific babblings, but I have to a certain degree tuned my play for what I feel.  To me, it's better to have a theory and follow it, even if it's incorrect, especially if it provides a positive result than to have nothing.  To me, this is part of the game.  I somehow think that after a few more million hands that I'll have another appiphamy and tune my style differently.  For me it's produced lots of results.  Probably doesn't have anything to do with reality, but again, for me it's part of the fun.  If I didn't think I could have some ability to trend the game it wouldn't be any fun.  Of course I'm still working on the bankroll management part, always having a hard time saying "that's enough"  Once the dopomine starts flowing, it's hard to walk away.  Thoroughly confused.  Don't blame ya...
 
Roveer, thanks for the response. I agree with you, in that I seem to observe what I think of as a 'bad part' of the 'string' when things go cold. I just don't know how to change that in the short term, and find another 'seed point' in the string, without pouring money in the machine to wait it out.
I am going to try your approach, and change denoms and/or number of lines, the next time I get a cold cycle.Cold%20Cycle
 
Maybe I can get a good pic for a Forum post out of it. Big%20smile
 
I might suggest that you let someone else play out that string by going to a different machine or going to the bar for a drink.  I've actually started doing that.  At times I think the same thing, I've got to "play" through this drought, but you might just want to walk away and go hunt a better number string.  This seems to be the prudent thing to do.  Nothing frustrates me more than when the machines are busy and someone is having a great run at a machine that you wanted to sit at.  That's one of the reasons I like to go on Sunday's.  By 11:30pm I've pretty much got the run of the place to myself and can get any machine I want.  I used to worry about the machines not being played going cold, but have not really found that to be the case.  it's just a matter of finding a machine thats running good, playing it for what it's worth and knowing when to stop when it's not producing.  Of course this all sounds so logical but then you factor in the fact that you are at your machine, your comfortable, and you may not want to leave.  I'm training myself to notice these things and to be willing to leave or switch machines when it's just not working.  All a work in progress and always trying to keep it fun.  I'm also working on the bigger picture which is knowing when you've hit an acceptable rate of return and stop all together.  Unfortunatly with me and some of the huge hits I've had it makes it even harder.  It's tough to stop gambing for the trip when you've hit 1.5k or 2k when you've had 15-20k hits.  They can't all be huge winners and on some nights 1.5k should be considered good enough.  After all it winds up being seed money for the next trip and eventually a big hit will happen.  It's better than playing so hard that you wind up with nothing (which I've done before).


Edited by roveer - 19 Apr 2012 at 11:50am
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Quote mightwin Replybullet Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 1:17pm
Knowing when to run out of the casino like your hair's on fire - with money is very hard to do. 
 
I know from experience that when you're winning, you think you can win more.  One evening I hit a royal on quarters, and spending that win helped me hit another royal hours later on a dollar machine, 4 grand.  I should have been overjoyed and rich.  I thought I could win more.  I had hours, and many trips to the bathroom where I'd check how much I still had.  At 3 grand, at 2 grand, even a thousand - did I leave, no.  I spent it all back chasing that next win.  I cried for 2 days after that huge mistake.  Please learn from my goof. 
 
Wishing royal flushes for everyone.
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Quote JT Replybullet Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by mightwin

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Knowing when to run out of the casino like your hair's on fire - with money is very hard to do.
I know from experience that when you're winning, you think you can win more. One evening I hit a royal on quarters, and spending that win helped me hit another royal hours later on a dollar machine, 4 grand. I should have been overjoyed and rich. I thought I could win more. I had hours, and many trips to the bathroom where I'd check how much I still had. At 3 grand, at 2 grand, even a thousand - did I leave, no. I spent it all back chasing that next win. I cried for 2 days after that huge mistake. Please learn from my goof.
Wishing royal flushes for everyone.


Every gambler has made that mistake at least once.

My solution: Get a big hit, get them to bring you a check for at least part of it.   Get at $10K hit, get a check for $8K and play the $2K if you want... then you know you're leaving with something.   And it's safer, too, since you're not walking out with pockets bulging with cash.   
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Quote roveer Replybullet Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 4:06pm
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Originally posted by mightwin

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Knowing when to run out of the casino like your hair's on fire - with money is very hard to do. 
 
I know from experience that when you're winning, you think you can win more.  One evening I hit a royal on quarters, and spending that win helped me hit another royal hours later on a dollar machine, 4 grand.  I should have been overjoyed and rich.  I thought I could win more.  I had hours, and many trips to the bathroom where I'd check how much I still had.  At 3 grand, at 2 grand, even a thousand - did I leave, no.  I spent it all back chasing that next win.  I cried for 2 days after that huge mistake.  Please learn from my goof. 
 
Wishing royal flushes for everyone.


Every gambler has made that mistake at least once.

My solution: Get a big hit, get them to bring you a check for at least part of it.   Get at $10K hit, get a check for $8K and play the $2K if you want... then you know you're leaving with something.   And it's safer, too, since you're not walking out with pockets bulging with cash.   
 
With few exceptions (like when I'm in a destructive mood and seem hell bent on train wrecking), I always take a check on something more than 2k.  When you are having a good night, your putting something back in the seed pocket while at the same time filling your oher pocket with checks.  I've had 3-4 check nights with cash.  Now that's fun.  Now I wonder if the casino would cash one of their checks?  Hope I never find myself asking that question outside of this forum.
 
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